Well, it appears that the moondog was right. Pete thought he saw 1 star in the center of the ring, and I saw none, so that means 0-1 days until bad weather sets in. The temp has dropped 15-20 degrees today and it just keeps dropping. It was spitting rain this morning and Pete said he heard now it is supposed to rain and turn to snow, at least to flurries. Go Moondog go!